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« on: November 28, 2010, 16:02:00 PM »

Many of You probably want to know how spying works. Me to - up till friday I was lost as many of You. So I am going to give You few very good examples how it works. Remmember that when someone fails in spying You - he loses 20% of his spies but if he succeds - we don't get any info about this.
Similiar - when we counter - we risk losing 20% of our spies if we fail but if we succed - the atacker spies return home in full numbers. (so we just repel them).

Summary of this topic:
1. When we have 1k spyies in defence and same level of borders as spying level of atacker:
a) 200 enemy spies have 45-60% chance of succesfull spying us.
b) 500 enemy spies have 75-90% chance of succesfull spying us.
c) 1000 enemy spies have 85-100% chance of succesfull spying us.
d) 2000 enemy spies have 90-100% chance of succesfull spying us.
e) 5000 enemy spies have 95-100% chance of succesfull spying us.

2. Similiar situation (1k spyies in defence) but when we have 1 lvl less borders then spying lvl of atacker:
a) 200 enemy spies have 70-85% chance of succesfull spying us
b) 500 enemy spies have 85-100% chance of succesfull spying us
c) 1000 enemy spies have 90-100% chance of succesfull spying us
d) 2000 enemy spies have 95-100% chance of succesfull spying us
e) 5000 enemy spies have 95-100% chance of succesfull spying us

How counter spying works?

3. When we have 1k spyies in defence and same level of borders as spying level of atacker:
a) chance of catching enemy 200 spies is 100%
b) chance of catching enemy 500 spies is 100%
c) chance of catching enemy 1000 spies is 75-90%
d) chance of catching enemy 2000 spies is 35-50%
e) chance of catching enemy 5000 spies is 10-25%

4. Similiar but now we have 1 lvl less borders then enemy:
a) chance of catching enemy 200 spies is 100%
b) chance of catching enemy 500 spies is 75-90%
c) chance of catching enemy 1000 spies is 35-50%
d) chance of catching enemy 2000 spies is 15-30%
e) chance of catching enemy 5000 spies is 0-10%

Warning: In each case the value is precise. I give estimations to prevent working out exact rule since I was asked not to give away the formula - so therefore on above estimations You can't work out proper stochastic model. *pardon* The value in each case can be margin or can be around middle. So You can't be sure which is which. *gamer* This is only to give You generall idea how it works and what is better to do - build spies or invest in next lvl of borders/spying.

I hope it helps all of You as much as it helps me. *rose*
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 16:10:47 PM »

This is very nice, thanks  *kissgirl*
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 01:23:05 AM »

what about other border/spy differences? *crazy* that sounds just nuts *xxx*
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2010, 08:52:57 AM »

what about other border/spy differences? *crazy* that sounds just nuts *xxx*

Use logic - the above examples are good enough to work out a generall rule. This should be enough to know what is better - to have more spies or more borders/spying level then the other player. *ok*
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 17:45:00 PM »

Use logic - the above examples are good enough to work out a generall rule. This should be enough to know what is better - to have more spies or more borders/spying level then the other player. *ok*
exactly, but everyone knew that already, so those stats only confuse, unless you actually use them to create an equation that explains it *pardon*
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 19:48:01 PM »

herz they did'nt know already is a useful example to use. The whole game is based on equations and can be very confusing this is simple stats that make it easy to work out. Good work starblade. *bravo*
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 14:50:40 PM »

Nice guide about spyers  *yo*
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 16:15:53 PM »

I just want to ask, in which condition spies really work? Do they work when we deploy them in Field Army? or they also work when we garrisson them in the fortress? *hmm*
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2010, 16:27:07 PM »

I just want to ask, in which condition spies really work? Do they work when we deploy them in Field Army? or they also work when we garrisson them in the fortress? *hmm*

As far as i know, when they are in fort they are no good.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2010, 16:31:35 PM »

Thanks for the info. It seems we have to pay more gold just for them... *tired*
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2011, 16:55:28 PM »

Very useful information abot as work spies *Smiley*
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2011, 22:59:34 PM »

omg are you serious? you need 5 times as many just to ensure you make a successful espionage/counter?
Sorry but thats rediculous. To be honest i prefer the older versions of +1 +2 border posts.

Its a real pain to lose spys all the time. It costs a hell of a lot for a very small amount of information. espeacially when your profits drop to 50% just because you lose spies making that final check.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2011, 13:56:44 PM »

In defence, how many levels above the espinage level I need in counterespinage, to have 90% or more chance to catch the attacker's spies before they send any information? (with similar count of attacking and defending spies)
If i got lvl 20 counter and the attacker have 15 espinage, we both have 10k spies, do i have like 90% chance of catching them?
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2011, 16:26:40 PM »

If i got lvl 20 counter and the attacker have 15 espinage, we both have 10k spies, do i have like 90% chance of catching them?

Nope, with these levels and equal number of spies, you will have 60% to catch him and he will have 40% to infiltrate.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2012, 06:00:34 AM »

its ok if you put all this, but its a meaningless effort, because the game definitely broken.

same level espionage at 21, i have in def 10k spies and the infiltrator has 3.9k spies, but i lost 7k spies from trying to catch the infiltrators. and i never catch any of his spies when he infils either.

its a little wonder why this game never ever get into the top lists of must to play game.
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