Imperia Online International

I would be happy if mods read this and answer, but other people opinion is welcomed also. :)  its a little longer, but please read.
I play one realm and i watched one player. It was day 4 in realm. I was arround 180 - 200 points and he came to my 2x so i rumored him but he had little villagers and not much resources so i guess he trained army and i didnt attack. He has only one prov with 6,6 k villagers.
Later i checked him again and he was on 320 point and got huge minus in prov. Rumors showed almost 6k so he was in minus almost 3k for sure. I guessed he attacked somebody. But he got all 0, no attacks or visible army till today.
And for that minus you must send 2 k swords somewhere for 5 h. But no army or atacks till now.
But 3 min later after he had minus he jumped to 341, and in few sec to 342 points.
How is that possible???? Have minus without an army or loan. Even 6h resources with 6,6 k villagers wont bring him so much resources. Only possibility is that he took a loan at that moment. But loan is also small with his villagers.

Second is his points.
I took best farmer score at that point. 120 points, 3 prov. 14 k villagers
66 point for colonizing 2 prov. 66/3 = 22
54 + 22 =76 k gold spent. Even less because he surely have some uni and architecture.
If that farmer invested all in military it would be 76*3 =218 points. And farmer have 3 prov and 14 - 15 k villagers now.
That guy have 6,6 k villagers. He had maximum 9 k. We all start 5k villagers so average for him was 7 k villagers(he got less).
So his production in 4,5 days was.
4,5 days * 38(24 + 10 bonus + 4 voting) *70(7000/100 vilagers) * 5 gold per hour* 1,3(fort 3 bonus) = 77805 = 78 networth. If he puts all in army its 78 * 3 = 234 points. He didnt attack nobody so no extra resources. Adn this calculation is to big for surelly 10-20 procent.
HOW CAN HE BE ON 342 NETWORTH???
Matematicly and logicly impossible. I took 80 k gold from people, have a lot more villagers then him and i am just over 200 networth.
I am not accussing anybody so i am offering possible solutions.
1. Rumors gave me false info, but a million times i get good info from rumors.
2.Explanation of so high net is impossible so its maybe some kind of bug showing networth wrong?
3.I know army dissapeared to some players, false medals and a lot of other bugs.
4.No matter there isnt all players button i know how to see all players. Probably a lot of you also. I know how to make resources dissapear. So is it possible that some guy with a lot of knowledge about data bases found a way to get him free resources because mathematicly i cant explain his networth.
5. My math is wrong.

I am just curious, not accussing anybody. Wish to see what is all possible in IO. :)
PS. Contact me PM if you wish realm and nick. :)

1. how can you know if he took loans or not?

2. how can you know if he uses credits and took 10h or 6h production every day?

about loans. You cant go into minus if you dont have army. Only with loan. And then from somewhere you cover big minus, get 22 points and have resources. With 6 k villagers.
I assumed maximum so as i said he probably didnt get so much resources and he earned less that i calculated. But even with everything on maximum he cant have more then 240 net and he had 342.
I am more curious about networth then first part. :)

with the 10h production every day, he can have the production of 17 days in only 12 days, that is about 3 production-days each 2 real-days

so 4,5 real-days may be 6 production days or slighty more.

But that is in formula. I took that days have 38 hours what is maximum a person can get in a day. :)
4,5 days(realm was that old) * 38(24 + 10 bonus + 4 voting a maximum that person can get) *70(7000/100 vilagers) * 5 gold per hour* 1,3(fort 3 bonus) = 77805 = 78 networth
So 38 * 4,5 = 171 / 24=7,125 days. Thats calculated in maximum 78 networth.

i didn't saw the 38, sorry.

btw, he may have produced always the most convenient resource (more than 5 gold per hour) or got loans or had massed some resources and used all of them toghther.

guy name is familiar to us...damn xamlo...and he joined 2 days later....and in 3 days he managed to get  342points...how suspicious is that?

dunno, maybe he took a loan and ordered some troops

we'll see i am gonna spy the bastard and see what he has  *freak*

Well i didnt see that he joined 2 days later. So yesterday evening he played in total 2,5 days. :)
So new calculation is
2,5 days * 38(24 + 10 bonus + 4 voting) *70(7000/100 vilagers) * 5 gold per hour* 1,3(fort 3 bonus) = 43225 = 43 networth
So if he took loan he get 10 k gold with his 6 k villagers. 43 + 10 =53 networth and he put all in army so multiply by 3. 159 networth.
And he have 342.
Now i am sure it isnt possible. Or is some bug or guy knows how to add resources using some loophole in database. Simply isnt possible to get so high in 2,5 days.

i agree..i mean you are far better then rest of guys,and you have what,like 100 points less then him :hmmm:
damn hackers  *freak*

realm?

realm 2  *freak*

I i am sure that his net isnt possible. But i am not accussing him to be hacker. Thats just posibility. I would say its some bug in his acc. Maybe he really have 34,2 net but something went wrong. Because radoo had negative networth and that also wasnt possible, but bug. :)

I guess this is weird...anyway tiger, if he ordered about 1500 soldiers, his villagers are less now and in 4 days you can take 5 times the resource bonuses, but even with that (cause you overestimated a bit) I don't know how he did that and how he had minus gold...maybe a fast click to double something like some dudes did with imperial reserve? *gamer*

1500 soldiers in 2 and a half days of playing???i dont think so..besides 1500 soldiers would be about 105 net points,what about 240 net that he got besides that

Even with 4,5 days he wouldnt be able to do that. Fort 3 not from beginning,, less people then i calculated because he plays 2,5 days,  if he built fort 3 then a lot of net goes to eco and not military to multiply by 3. Not all net points are soldiers because you need some researches, farm and so on.
But he played 2,5 days which decreases net a lot. :)
So i agree with you, i dont know.
Fast clicks works on imperial reserve and when you wish to get 2 provinces with same number.
As i said its possible to enter adress line to make resources just dissapear. Maybe you can change adress line to make resources appear. :)
I must try that.  *hahaha* *hahaha* *freak*

maybe you'll reach 1000 points in 2 days *pardon*

If you see me on 1k in 2 days, i succeed .  *hahaha* *hahaha*

Guy is on 404 points now and have 3 provinces. He managed to get 3 provinces in 3 day play. :) So he dont have large army but mostly eco points. :) And left almost all people who play 5 days out of 2x. Guy knows what he is doing so its no bug, but cheating. And he have -15 k gold in his 3 prov. How without an army. :)
I would like that admins and moderators check him.

loan?

that mustve be 100 k loan then. *pardon* 400 points in 2 and a half days...for god sake,just ban the cheater  :rant:

You can loan maximum 2 days production. So with 6 k villagers thats 16 - 17 k gold. :) Nothing for his points.
I send messages to most of the mods and some admins and i am waiting reply. :)

really...I know that loans are taken only in province 8...and to make -15k in less than a day, you need to take a loan of about 50k *xxx*

i know :D i was being sarcastic..but i guess i sux at that :D

Guy is at 408 points, have 4 prov and by rumors from 20 - 70 k negative resources in each. :) So i dont know how he starts researches and buildings with so much negative resurces. It looks more and more weird and funny. :)

i know now that radooo is envious :D

Thats probably the reason he is so quiet today.  *hahaha* *hahaha*

yup, someone was found a bug bigger than him :D

Well if radoo is a bug, this guy in r2 is a "BUG PLANET"  *hahaha* *hahaha* Maybe they will make new movie about it: Bug Planet III.  *hahaha* *hahaha*

do you have accidentally his phone? *sos*

 *hihi* bug contest

I don't know what he did, he has -160k gold, he has no bank,he has no espionage, he does have army(not mobilised though). The only thing I can think of is negative population, negative population gives negative gold, that would also explain why he has so little population.

And BTW today he is bearing a bulgarian flag. So babysitting began.

Yeah and then people ask why did we remove the flags.... He has bulgarian flag because I entered his account...

I don't think you can have so much negative population to give -160k gold from it...He is using a loophole for sure :hard:

And how he got so much net and minus in provinces?? Bug?? Or something else??

envious :P

I should start to discover new bugs *sos*

Go to Brasil. I heard there are some undiscovered bugs in Brasil. :) But i would rather go there to discover festival and Female bugs. :) *hahaha* *hahaha*

Maybe he found a way to win the dice gambling game  *freak* *freak* *pardon*

r u kiddin me? i found a way to beat that game right away, i just dont have the patience, it takes to long, if only i could bet more money, iwould bet alot. so the trick is to start with the lowest bet, EVERY time u win, go back to the lowest. EVERY time u lose bet one level higher, and when u lose 4 times in a row, continue betting on the highest until u win, then go back to the lowest. its the most simple to way to improve your odds from 1/2 to 1/16.

First your odds isnt 1/2 because merchant wins when you and him roll same number. :) You odds are exactly 5:11 to win. :) And i tried your strategy and in longer run i was losing. :) So i calculated why. :)
If you always win 1 out of 4 roles you win on 1 role 10, on second 10 on 3 20 and on 4 19 gold. Soy our average win is 15 gold per 1 round of 4 rolls. But if you lose 4 roles in a row which hapends every 11-12 time you lose 179 gold. + If you are not lucky and continue bet 99 and lose 2 more rolls you lost 198 gold more. And your winning in 11 rounds(11*15 = 165) Cant cover losses every 11-12 rounds. :) You could be lucky but for how long. Similar games are played in casino, but casino never went bancropt. i wonder why. :)
I wont play dice game. I was entusiastic when i tried with 1 acc and earn 500 gold in 3 minutes. But then i try on longer run and i lost 1000 from begining cash. :)

thats true, ur right. i never really thought about it that deeply. nice analysis

I dint even bother after i read that equal sum on the dice implied that the merchant won  *pardon*

Btw if you lose 4 times in a row, it doesn't increase your chance of winning next round  *hahaha*  *hahaha*
The probabilities are independent  *freak*
(Of course , that is assuming the dice are truly random.  ;) )

gamblers  X)

thats such bullshit, im sorry, its true, i completely understand what ur saying, but the way to change that, is to look at the big picture beforehand. for example the chances of me losing a coin flop four times in a row is 1/16 which means if i lost 3 times and im calculating the odds for the next time individually then yes its stays 50% but if u look at the big picture u can say if i lose again it will complete a very unlikely picture, making the odds of that time change.

oh and tiger, i reconsidered everything and i know longer think ur right, cuz if i lost 4 times in a row then truthfully, i should win the next four times. well it doesnt really work like that, but this is what u should do, keep track of how much ur down. okay, u lost four times in a row, now im down 179, so continue betting on the highest until ur up.

There are bigger chances to lose then to win. :) So i wont play dice game in IO. :) Who thinks otherwise, good luck to him. :)

rofl.  *xxx* Look mate.
say chance of winning or losing is 1/2. the probability of you losing 4 times in a row is 1/16. Yes very unlikely.(But you realize i hope that you calculated that number assuming that one loss or win has nothing to do with another :P)
You are getting confused with the chances of losing 4 times being unlikely, and the chances of losing the fourth time after losing thrice already!! You see something you considered unlikely has taken place already( losing 3 times) .  *freak*

So though losing 4 times is unlikely, it no longer is after you've lost thrice aready.


If it's still confusing, just trust me on this one :P

look, dont u agree the more times u do something, the more the odds matter. for example, ive never done the lotterry before, but if i did and the first time i won, that was just one time, i cant judge the odds just by one time, but on the other hand if i did it every week i'd c my real chances are really small. so if im playing tossing a coin (50%) and i lost money over it, the next time i would double my bet, becuz, the more times i do something, the more i can see the real odds, which means if i lost once and i know the odds are 50% then i know that now "chance" should show me my real odds by letting me win this time. basically, if u ever go to a casino, go tothe roullete table and bet on either black or red(point being u'll have 50%) start with the minimum, everytime u lose just double ur bet, that way u cover ur losses

 *sos* *sos*

So this is why casino's make a lot of money  *freak* *freak* *hahaha* *hahaha*

You people are sooooooo of  *offtopic*...

and

Krum: how can somebody have negative population???

ha, i've never done this before, but i'm when the average person goes to a casino he is not thinking that much about it, they just think its about luck. and something really interesting is that my math teacher (the one that tought me this) went to a casino and he put that theory to the test, he made 2500$ in the first night. and now he does it every chance he gets. the only bad thing about it is that there casinos that are very aware of this method, so when they someone doubling his bet everytime he loses, they could kick him out anytime. i think its called the Martingale system. one more time if u still dont understand, the point is, all u need to do is win one of all those times. so each time ur odds improve 1/2 + 1/4 +1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32... and so on. ALL U NEED IS TO WIN ONCE EACH TIME, if u still dont get it look  this site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system) it says that alot of people that used it lost there money, but my teacher is still encouraging me to try it.

Bilko, the title is "is that possible" i think this is very adequate for a topic about odds and "chance".

 *crazy* *crazy* *crazy* *crazy* *crazy* stop that stupid rambling...there is NO SUCH THING AS RULES IN GAMBLING!!!...and this is  *offtopic*   If you want to gamble go to "gambling online" !!!!  *crazy* *crazy* *crazy*
This is a war game!!! not a gambling game!!! go away and STFU!!!

And NO, there is no "odds and chance"...is eighter cheating or a loopwhole!!! or he knows something we don't...  *freak*

Dont be in a hurry to label someone who has done what you havent as a cheater  :evil4:

And what's wrong in being off topic  *freak* *freak*
The martingale system works, if you assume you have an infinite supply of resources, or that you stop playing when you are winning, or alternatively restart the game with your present amount of gold as starting point, fair enough. BUT my point was that losing 4 times in a row doesnt make winning the 5th time more probable . geez that must be the hundredth time i'm saying it!!  *sos* *sos*

Btw where is this guy in the rankings at the moment? it'll be interesting to follow his course ;)

ur right about that, i didnt mean to argue about that point, its true. now about the dice, if i lost 4 of times in a row, (lets assume  i have an infinite supply of resources) statsically, eventually i should win more afterwards. if u lost while betting on the lowest 6 times in a row, wouldnt u then start betting on the highest???? so if im doing the technique i said in the begginning and i lost 4 times in row, that was a loss of 179, right? so now i just continue betting on 99, i should eventually be up, then start over. just try it, do the regular technique and then when u lose four times in a row, just continue betting on the highest til ur up, eventually u have to be up. (dont forget to keep track)


btw were u talking about me when u said lets see where he is in the ranking??

No, i'm talking about the guy who caused this thread to be opened  ... or is that you?  *pardon*

Guy isnt in rating anymore. He is out of my 2x. :) And he have large minus in all provinces so he didnt do it with dice game. Because you need 100 gold to start dice game.
Adn i had to many  *drunk* *bear* to discuss dice game options. If somebody wish that, post here and i will reply later.  *hahaha* *hahaha*

no, its not me. what realm r u guys in?? im in realm 5, 7, and 18.

What can I say; žblj??? what the hack do you still wont to proof? Gambling is like they say: there are lies and biger lies and there is gambling!!! Whatever you say about it, it's as stupid as it can be. *crazy*

This is all really fishy. I think Radooo is really slipping up, here. Negative population? What's next, negative provinces?
This thing should really be looked into.


You do realize, that assumption is where your system breaks down, right? Gamble enough, and eventually you'll reach the point where doubling your last bet is more money than you have. Then you've lost it all and are unable to regain it. I know this method and have used it a lot in casino simulations... It works like a charm for a while, right up until you go broke  *freak*

So, just don't do it!!! (that doesn't apply to you poly...you know it). Leave the gambling alone...it'sjust another way of stealing your credits from you... *freak*

Good idea. I should try to dismiss my province 8 *freak*

many things are posible in Io but u donno them....u will be shocked if i proove u

Prove here or in private message. I am curious. I know a lot of stuff, but i just dont use them.