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Nomads Invasion => Era 4 Chronicles => Topic started by: dupecmar on January 24, 2010, 20:27:17 PM



Title: I'm disappointed
Post by: dupecmar on January 24, 2010, 20:27:17 PM
Well i tough Nomads invasion is all about seeing who is the best in imperia giving everybody same chances, or better to say removing a lot of "other" influences that could make somebody grow faster or slower.

For example, you can't farm others, we have fixed market prices, we have fixed number of provinces etc etc,so all of those things means all players are "equal" and only their skill will show how good they are.

As a premium player in other realm i was hoping nomads would be able to really test my skills against other players having absolutely same setting as all others.

And than you blow it with "premium". Your simple rule who buys credits will win this game sucks.  :rant: :rant: :rant:

Player doesn't have to be THE BEST, just good enough with credits. Simple as that.

I'm very disappointed with your approach.

Now i see your nomad invasion is not a real competition. In real competition all participants will run the same distance under same conditions.

Competition by nomads is - we will allow to players, that can/are willing to pay, steroids so they run faster.

It's not enough you charge 50 credits for nomads, its not enough you have "premium" options in every other realm, you had to ruin nomads and any chance for all players to play on the same level.


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: blackdeath on January 24, 2010, 23:54:38 PM
interesting point mate. in the second wave which was a pillage i realised that from my 24 hours production it was impossible to defend and win, when i calculated my day production plus the 10 hr production it was exactly enough to defend the attack. i told my wife this and she said... so you dont realise that you must put credits everyday just to survive? i thought about it and its true. its designed for those who pay to play to see who flies faster, the higher the points the bigger the waves hence the bigger the war income and better chances to win. well. i play because i just want to see how far i get, i dont even think about the prize money because its almost the same cash that you spend on credits anyways.


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: IrishGore on January 25, 2010, 03:00:47 AM
yes you spend the same in credits as you get in prize lol imagine thousands of ppl paying full credits. lol the prize is totaly ridiculous. should be a lot more, and why dollars? not euros? cause dollar is cheaper than euros lol  *ok* capitalists


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: HRdevil on January 25, 2010, 03:18:35 AM
I'm disapointed  *freak*


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: NeverGiveUp on January 25, 2010, 03:48:28 AM
play or dnt play its upto u guyz  :)


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: tiger on January 25, 2010, 13:10:45 PM
Well, you wish to play for fun, it costs you 50 credits and out of top 50 its no problem to play without credits. Even in top 50 its possible to play. 50 credits is there so people wont make 100 accs which wont be played but it will slow server to much.
We are giving money prizes and credits prizes for best players. And every player will get 25 credits back, so real cost of play is 25 credits.
I dont think that other players are just average and they will win because they have credits. If you are so sure of that, why not risk 400 credits and take main prize.
Game lasts 36-37 days. less then 20 euros (arround 15-16) to pay for 10h bonus resources and 50 credits entry, not same as reward.
You wish to play for fun, it doesnt cost you almost anything. You wish to win, it costs you little more, but you get prize, glory...


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: HRdevil on January 25, 2010, 18:07:33 PM
I'm disapointed  *freak*

Sarcasm detection ? hello?  *sos*  don't put me in this group  :rant:


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: blackdeath on January 25, 2010, 19:21:27 PM
excellent answer tiger *rose*  you are a very nice humans relations person. with the right tools you can be very rich mate.


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: NeverGiveUp on January 25, 2010, 20:51:05 PM
excellent answer tiger *rose*  you are a very nice humans relations person. with the right tools you can be very rich mate.

what makes u think he aint rich  :)


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: KoSaC on January 25, 2010, 21:21:21 PM
what makes u think he aint rich  :)
no one in croatia is rich  *freak*


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: tiger on January 25, 2010, 22:58:20 PM
what makes u think he aint rich  :)
Money doesnt make person rich. Many other stuff do and i guess you wanted to say that. I feel rich because i am satisfied with my life.
Wise men said once: "It isnt rich the one who have a lot of money, but the one who have more then he needs."


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: HRdevil on January 25, 2010, 23:07:34 PM
no one in croatia is rich  *freak*

Materialist  *freak*


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: KoSaC on January 25, 2010, 23:09:34 PM
Materialist  *freak*
hell yea!


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: Kopator on January 26, 2010, 01:09:51 AM
yes you spend the same in credits as you get in prize lol imagine thousands of ppl paying full credits. lol the prize is totaly ridiculous. should be a lot more, and why dollars? not euros? cause dollar is cheaper than euros lol  *ok* capitalists

They should pay out ..in my currency..Icelandic Krona.  *xxx* Now that´s what you call cheap.  *hihi*

One year ago 1$ = 55krona
Now             1$ = 130krona

no one in croatia is rich  *freak*

except Ivan Balic.

 *freak*
 


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: dupecmar on January 26, 2010, 02:13:32 AM
Well, you wish to play for fun, it costs you 50 credits and out of top 50 its no problem to play without credits. Even in top 50 its possible to play. 50 credits is there so people wont make 100 accs which wont be played but it will slow server to much.
We are giving money prizes and credits prizes for best players. And every player will get 25 credits back, so real cost of play is 25 credits.
I dont think that other players are just average and they will win because they have credits. If you are so sure of that, why not risk 400 credits and take main prize.
Game lasts 36-37 days. less then 20 euros (arround 15-16) to pay for 10h bonus resources and 50 credits entry, not same as reward.
You wish to play for fun, it doesnt cost you almost anything. You wish to win, it costs you little more, but you get prize, glory...

Intro: Damn after i click on preview i saw how big post this is. Well i won't delete it. This is what i think. Sorry for writing this long post. I know most of you won't have patience to read till the end.  *rose*

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Thanks for your answer Tiger. It's good and honest answer that IO should put in rules. But as it is now i think IO team mislead players. I will now quote what is writing in nomads invasion rules.

Quote from: Imperia online Nomad invasions rules
- All players have access to the 10 hours resource income.
- Market prices will be fixed by their base equivalent and will not change during the whole Era. Buying option will be available under attack.
- Transport stations will not be slowed under attack.
- No Gambling.
- No Alliances.
- No Espionage.
- No Border posts.
- No Vacation Mode.
- No 6 hours offline rule.
- Players battle history will be available after 3 days.

- Rankings are only by net worth points.

That's why i went to play Nomad invasion and that's why i thought EVERYBODY will have same chance of winning.

You should write "All players that buy additional credits will have access to the 10 hours resource income".

Since players already have "access" to 10 hours production in all other realms but they can use it only if they buy credits you shouldn't make this as "rule" in nomads invasion. When you say ALL that mean ALL.

Finally since you already mentioned prize let me discuss a little bit about that too.

With whole honesty "grand prizes" are not so grand when you change them in Euro so this lead me to conclusion that prize is there as (hmm now english word missing) small bragging right (like medal in the real life) With that money you can go to nice bar and spend it all on fancy dinner for two.

So let's not speak of nomad as "prize" contest. Put couple of thousands of euros and everybody would than have incentive to buy credits and fight for the prize. Than you will have Nomad invasion as real prize competition. But PLEASE make it clear in rules that buying credits is needed if you want to have any chance of winning.

Also 1000 credits for 1 to 10 is not something that would make all of us jump from happiness. After all it's virtual "credits" so IO owners are not paying it from their pockets.

But mind you Tiger (and who ever from imperia read this).

I AM premium player and playing more than a year so I already spent A LOT of money on this "game" so please don't play that game - take a risk buy credits because i'm buying credits in my realm.

Actually i spent enough that i could buy MORE THAN few REAL games with fancy 3D and all other things included in it (like ownership of the game, online gameplay etc etc). I also convinced few players to buy credits too but that's not topic of this post.

So i'm not cheap when i'm complaining that IO team is misleading us. IO say ALL players have access but in reality all is only those that buy extra credits.

As the last word i never ever wrote that "other" players are average. What i wrote is that player don't have to be THE BEST with credits than just GOOD ENOUGH to win the game. Many many great players that don't want to buy credits will have absolutely no chances to even get into top 10. So what kind of competition is this?

Let me tell you. Fake competition.

P.S. Didn't you noticed how IO don't accept USD when you want to buy credits (read that in forum few day's ago) but pay prizes in USD. I guess 250 USD sound much much better than 176.59 Euro (without commission so in reality when "winner" change USD to Euro he would receive around 170 euros).



Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: samyoboy on January 26, 2010, 02:26:28 AM
v3 you can still make top 10-20 if your lucky without production bonus. the bonus is only 10hours of your production so if I play better than you and have 2x your production I will still grow more than you even with bonus. In Classic realms I have finnished top 25 in rankings without credits and that was when I 1st played.
 ofc you are right if you have 2 equal players the 1 with creds will win. But as you say the prize is not that big so it's not really worth getting upset over. Alot of us have been waiting to play NI again lets not start getting upset over a game alot of us love to play and compete in. *rose*


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: dupecmar on January 26, 2010, 04:08:22 AM
v3 you can still make top 10-20 if your lucky without production bonus. the bonus is only 10hours of your production so if I play better than you and have 2x your production I will still grow more than you even with bonus. In Classic realms I have finnished top 25 in rankings without credits and that was when I 1st played.
 ofc you are right if you have 2 equal players the 1 with creds will win. But as you say the prize is not that big so it's not really worth getting upset over. Alot of us have been waiting to play NI again lets not start getting upset over a game alot of us love to play and compete in. *rose*

 *hihi* Well i believe i'm doing just fine especially because this is my first time playing nomads. I don't agree with you that out of 2 equal players the one with credits will win. Unfortunately the stage is set that you can take above average player with credits against the best in nomads (as far as i could read in forum that's Tiger) and above average will win with no problems. Even if he makes few mistakes he can always buy him self way out.

This 10h bonus is A LOT in fast realm especially when you know what next attack would be. I can see players flying with points only because they can buy some extra resources for that next research or fort lvl or army.

But i have nothing against that to be honest. That's the way imperia function.

As i already wrote before, what made me to upset is Imperia misleading me to believe ALL players would be able to use 10h production. (or none i don't care as long as everybody is equal and only player skills - strategy is determining who is the best.)



Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: HRdevil on January 26, 2010, 04:45:07 AM
*hihi* Well i believe i'm doing just fine especially because this is my first time playing nomads. I don't agree with you that out of 2 equal players the one with credits will win. Unfortunately the stage is set that you can take above average player with credits against the best in nomads (as far as i could read in forum that's Tiger) and above average will win with no problems. Even if he makes few mistakes he can always buy him self way out.

This 10h bonus is A LOT in fast realm especially when you know what next attack would be. I can see players flying with points only because they can buy some extra resources for that next research or fort lvl or army.

But i have nothing against that to be honest. That's the way imperia function.

As i already wrote before, what made me to upset is Imperia misleading me to believe ALL players would be able to use 10h production. (or none i don't care as long as everybody is equal and only player skills - strategy is determining who is the best.)



That little part is wrong, strategy doesn't determine who's best but it only determines the condition in wich u are. there is something called :
LOW POINT STRATEGY and you can't posibly be the best having 2k points while others have like 20k but if you employ the strategy the correct way you'll have like 50 defensive victories making noobs crash over and over again making you the best in yourleague ;)


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: dupecmar on January 26, 2010, 04:47:48 AM
That little part is wrong, strategy doesn't determine who's best but it only determines the condition in wich u are. there is something called :
LOW POINT STRATEGY and you can't posibly be the best having 2k points while others have like 20k but if you employ the strategy the correct way you'll have like 50 defensive victories making noobs crash over and over again making you the best in yourleague ;)

Sure but we are not speaking right now about that. First no noobs to crush on you here  *hihi* second Nomad invasion is all about who will have highest net points.

So i guess you miss my point.  *pardon*


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: KoSaC on January 26, 2010, 11:58:30 AM
That little part is wrong, strategy doesn't determine who's best but it only determines the condition in wich u are. there is something called :
LOW POINT STRATEGY and you can't posibly be the best having 2k points while others have like 20k but if you employ the strategy the correct way you'll have like 50 defensive victories making noobs crash over and over again making you the best in yourleague ;)

*hahaha* *hahaha* *hahaha* FAIL


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: NeverGiveUp on January 29, 2010, 03:19:34 AM
Money doesnt make person rich. Many other stuff do and i guess you wanted to say that. I feel rich because i am satisfied with my life.
Wise men said once: "It isnt rich the one who have a lot of money, but the one who have more then he needs."

yes exactly..we all love you bcoz of that  :)


Title: Re: I'm disappointed
Post by: Krum on January 29, 2010, 15:16:08 PM

You should write "All players that buy additional credits will have access to the 10 hours resource income".

Since players already have "access" to 10 hours production in all other realms but they can use it only if they buy credits you shouldn't make this as "rule" in nomads invasion. When you say ALL that mean ALL.

Finally since you already mentioned prize let me discuss a little bit about that too.

With whole honesty "grand prizes" are not so grand when you change them in Euro so this lead me to conclusion that prize is there as (hmm now english word missing) small bragging right (like medal in the real life) With that money you can go to nice bar and spend it all on fancy dinner for two.


Nomads invasion is part of IO, every player of IO is aware that bonus incomes cost credits. You're asking for us to write what is obvious and very well known. The idea of the rule is that top 20 can use only 6hr income in other realms, that's why it was written like this in nomads. You describe as rule a thing that is special and extraordinary, not a thing that is common and known by everybody. If the income was free it would have been made clear cause that would be something special and extraordinary.

If you feel the prizes aren't good you shouldn't have started playing, you knew them well before the start.

Overall I give your trolling attempt a 2/10 mark. Think of better things to troll about in the forum next time.